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Post by Chris - D-Town Diamond Dusters on Aug 8, 2013 22:53:29 GMT -8
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Post by Mike - N.C. Pine Tar Sluggers on Aug 10, 2013 10:13:14 GMT -8
As originally stated on the CBS site, I am in favor of reducing the salary cap amount that is now $250. This would immediately improve the draft pool and reduce the keeping of non-bargain players. It would provide increased ability for a strong draft. It would also tend to minimize the dump trades at the end of the season when a star is traded for really just average free agent players. It also would preserve the integrity of the draft and make top round picks more valuable since if the 5th and 6th round of the draft wasn't filled with Tier 4 and 5 players. I think it would make the season more challenging and fun. (Note: I am in favor of a keeper league and would really like to resist the dynasty approach).
As a minimum, I think the salary cap should be reduced to at least $210. This amount simply reflects the 2 team expansion from 12 to 14 teams. Essentially the expansion increased the keeper money from $3000 ($250x12) to $3500 ($250 x 14). This increase in keeper salary reduces the available draft pool. Technically a reduction to $214 keeps the draft pool the same as pre-expansion (14 x $214 = $3000).
Personally, I am in favor of reducing the salary cap even further. Each team is averaging 10 or more keepers meaning that almost 1/3 of players are keepers. Reducing the salary cap would result in owners really having to make some tight decisions on some keepers. Personally, I think a salary cap of between $150 and $180 would make sense.
Note that I would like to see this next season (at least going down to the $210 to make up for the expansion), but would understand if the sentiment was to implement this plan for 2015 instead of 2014 (since teams have been rebuilding this season assuming a higher salary cap).
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Post by Doug - Tatooine Tusken-Raiders on Aug 11, 2013 16:00:30 GMT -8
What is the keeper value of a player next year? First picks are now $35 or $30?
If first picks are still $35, then I'd say keep it the way it is now, $250, or no lower than $214 (from Mike's reasoning above, possibly moving the change out to 2015). IF $30, i'd be open to lowering the limit further. We've already tried to limit the amount of FA to keep by raising the price to keep them by $3. Maybe leave things as is for now, see how the recent changes go and re-evaluate after a year or two?
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Post by Joe - Milwaukee Brewers on Aug 11, 2013 18:22:00 GMT -8
i LIKE THE cap the way it is...but think FA value is way to high...especially when you want to extend a contract of a FA this will cost you more than almost half the draft pick values.
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Post by Kenji - Raccoon City Swarmers on Aug 11, 2013 20:35:33 GMT -8
I would much rather keep most of my team rather than keep 2 or 3 like regular keeper leagues. If thats the case we might as well just go to espn or something and just keep the money we pay for this site to put into the pool. I thought that because of the ability to draft and keep minors for a long period of time this league was supposed to be built more for the dynasty purpose.
I wouldn't mind reducing the salary cap, I think it wouldn't be such a bad idea, but it definitely SHOULD NOT Be for next year since I have been thinking about that 250 while doing trades and such all season. At the very least do it for 2015 so we can have a full year to rebuild into that sense.
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Post by Mike - N.C. Pine Tar Sluggers on Nov 4, 2013 15:08:38 GMT -8
What is the decision on salary cap for 2014? I still standby preference of a lower salary cap. As outlined reducing the cap to $210 essentially keeps the draft pool the same as it was with a 12 team league. Personally, I would like even a lower cap just to put more meat into the draft, but as a minimum with the expansion to 14 teams we should reduce the budgets to $210.
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Post by Paul - Hanover Headhunters on Nov 14, 2013 18:53:43 GMT -8
My thoughts are that all league transactions through out the year (trades/pickups) are done with the cap number in mind. Therefore, if we are to change the cap amount it would be done a full calendar year prior to its implementation - so if we're going to change it, it would take effect for the 2015 season, so everyone knows the new cap number throughout the 2014 season and the transactions that will take place within. Just my two cents.
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Post by Doug - Tatooine Tusken-Raiders on Nov 18, 2013 7:24:15 GMT -8
How many trades and how many pick ups would you suggest? More or less than now on the pick ups? Trades are unlimited, I believe.
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Post by Chris - D-Town Diamond Dusters on Nov 19, 2013 11:55:53 GMT -8
I would be ok with changing the cap number for 2015, but definitely would not change it for 2014, as trades and pickups were made with 2014 in mind. For cap reduction, I would be in favor of phasing it in, as many teams have extended players contracts that will reach until 2015. My proposal would be to reduce to $235 for 2015, and $220 in 2016 and leave it at $220 unless further change is deemed necessary.
Also, to answer Doug's question, the salary of the first round picks will remain at $35. The MLB draft is now 30 rounds, and the minor league draft is essentially rounds 31-35, or the 5-4-3-2-1 salaried players.
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Post by Mike - N.C. Pine Tar Sluggers on Dec 3, 2013 14:49:03 GMT -8
So has the salary cap been set per the Commish's last comment? $250 in 2014, $235 in 2015, and $220 thereafter? I would prefer it in one immediate change, but the gradual drop is better than nothing. I will be interested to see how deep the keepers go (i.e. how shallow the draft will be in terms of talent) this year given that last year we actually really had only 13 of the 14 teams utilize their keepers (one of the expansion teams decided to go with a draft only).
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Post by Chris - D-Town Diamond Dusters on Jan 3, 2014 19:30:02 GMT -8
I think this needs to be put to a vote. Only problem is that only a few of you log on here regularly...
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Post by Tom - HillsBoro Hops on Jan 13, 2014 13:34:13 GMT -8
I like the gradual drop over 2 yrs.
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Post by Doug - Tatooine Tusken-Raiders on Jan 13, 2014 18:55:14 GMT -8
Maybe let everyone know when a vote is up?
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Post by Paul - Hanover Headhunters on Jan 13, 2014 19:23:33 GMT -8
Like I say - I'm good with whatever the decision is, as long as we know a calendar year in advance.
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Post by Joe - Milwaukee Brewers on Jan 17, 2014 0:49:55 GMT -8
how about a compromise? drop the cap keepers say to 200[example] and have 6 minor league draft slots?
that helps sweeten pot but also lets those who value the youth keep an extra guy who is eligible?
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Post by Doug - Tatooine Tusken-Raiders on Jan 19, 2014 14:09:27 GMT -8
I'd rather not drop the cap further for more minor slots.
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Post by Mike - N.C. Pine Tar Sluggers on Jan 22, 2014 20:47:17 GMT -8
So is there a poll planned. If so, when can we expect it? Ideally it would be a couple weeks before the keepers are due (so no one can claim wait until next year one week into the season).
In terms of the minor leaguer, I am not in favor of a 6th spot. I would, however, see value in a rule that if you have a minor leaguer under a major league contract, you could slot that person into the minor league draft. No charge for keeping, but they will take up your highest draft pick in the minor league draft (i.e. they are assigned to your earliest minor league spots). In addition, their contract would not change to an M contract and the number of years would not change (i.e. treated as a normal keeper in terms of contract duration).
For instance I may be keeping Noah Snydergard ($10 FA with Minors status in MLB). In this case, I would have the option of either keeping him as a normal keeper (i.e. $10 against my cap) and get all the minors draft slots I am allowed, or to keep him as part of a minors slot ($0 against the cap) but I lose one of the minor picks I am allowed. I think this would allow some flexibility as Joe mentioned above and provide some options for investing in future minor leaguers.
For the record, I am still in favor of reducing the salary cap to increase the pool available for the draft. It also would provide some more value to late 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks since less owners will be able to stockpile 6 or more 1st round picks over multiple years as well as making it more valuable to keep those picks instead of trading away.
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Post by Chris - D-Town Diamond Dusters on Jan 24, 2014 12:57:12 GMT -8
I will set up a poll in this thread shortly in regard to the salary cap.
For minor leaguers, I am also not in favor of adding a 6th spot at this time - as I think it ties into the MLB draft perfectly. I do like Mike's idea of allowing FA's who classify as rookies still to be kept as $10 minor leaguers. I will implement this for next year.
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Post by Jack - Raleigh Lumber Jacks on Jan 24, 2014 15:40:39 GMT -8
I feel that the cap has already been somewhat reduced by the fact that FA keepers are now 10 instead of 7 as well as the last pick in the Major League draft being 5 instead of 1. This may not be that big of a factor at first, but it makes extending them even harder.
I am in favor of allowing Major League players on the Minor League roster if it costs a first round minor league pick.
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Post by Paul - Hanover Headhunters on Jan 24, 2014 18:32:09 GMT -8
I concur with Jack's sentiment as well - used to be the last third of the draft was able to be kept rather inexpensively - however with it now stopping at 30 rounds for major leaguers and the increase in FA contracts it has somewhat corrected itself.
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Post by Doug - Tatooine Tusken-Raiders on Jan 25, 2014 1:53:33 GMT -8
Voted.
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Post by Joe - Milwaukee Brewers on Jan 25, 2014 10:34:10 GMT -8
I think the cost of keeping and extending players is the actual issue. You reward teams for loading up at end of a year and can keep them still but a team who wants to go cheap and rebuild gets screwed with a FA costing 10.00 plus the extension.My FA steals will cost too much to keep and also the last 5 rounds are equal or less than a FA pickup .The drafted players should have stayed at 35-1 in value and the minors should be weighed at 5-10 in values.
Not sure easy solution....I have seen leagues allow only a certain amount of pitchers and hitters. Our cap is only relevant when it comes time for keepers when it should be more strict when it comes to trades and you have to balance the dollars or not exceed a cap number not just for draft purposes.
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Post by Doug - Tatooine Tusken-Raiders on Jan 29, 2014 18:45:50 GMT -8
Do 14 people normally vote?
It looks like we are going to start lowering the cap. First world problems suck don't they?
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Post by Joe - Milwaukee Brewers on Jan 29, 2014 18:59:17 GMT -8
I like the cap as is ,but if we lower it I would like a deeper minors draft so this can offset the keeper costs .. Anyway to add this as part of the revision?
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Post by Mike - N.C. Pine Tar Sluggers on Feb 9, 2014 17:05:23 GMT -8
So has this decision been made? Are salary caps going down over the next 2 years?
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Post by Chris - D-Town Diamond Dusters on Feb 11, 2014 9:28:23 GMT -8
This change will be implemented.
As for Joe's request of expanded minors, that is something that can be looked at next offseason. The way the salaries match up with the draft right now I would lean towards not expanding minors, as it could cause some confusion with the numbers. As mentioned though, we can discuss after 2014.
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